Infinite Spider-Man 8.2: Other Marvel Superheroes

Posted by Mister Mets 12 December 2011



None of the considerations about what DC does answer why someone would think it’s okay for other Marvel heroes to marry and have children, but not Marvel's biggest character. As Spider-Man is Marvel’s flagship character, that should restrict the company somewhat in developments involving the character, given how important he is to the shared Marvel Universe. But let's see how writers of the other superhero franchises have dealt with superhero families.


Kids From the Future

Rachel Grey and Nate Summers in the X‑men books, have sometimes been used as examples of successful children of major superheroes. Rachel is the future daughter of Cyclops and Phoenix, while Cable is the son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey, sent to the future as an infant at the age of one, before he returned as a middle aged man. So these aren't exactly typical offspring.

It's more obvious when an infant or young child becomes an year older (or fails to become noticeably older, when the adventures have clearly been going on for a while) than when a 21 or 54 year old from the future does. The kid from the future cliche could work with any character, not just Spider-Man. For example, it might be fun to try it a future-born offspring of Franklin Richards. In addition, the relationship between Cyclops and Phoenix is more convoluted than anything we want the Spider-Man books to resemble and the origins of Cable and Jean Grey don’t help.

Black Panther and Storm

Black Panther and Storm’s marriage was a marriage within the Marvel Universe which occurred under Quesada’s watch, so many suggested that it was hypocritical for him to support it while trying to undo the Spider‑Man marriage. However, the wedding of Black Panther and Storm affected less books in a less significant manner than the wedding of Peter Parker and Mary Jane did, as Storm is part of an ensemble and Black Panther has one solo title, meaning that their private lives just aren’t as important as Spider-Man’s.

Black Panther's first appearances in Fantastic Four, Captain America and The Avengers made no notice of his marital status, and Storm's romances were also an insignificant part of the X‑Men for the first few Essential X‑men volumes. Nightcrawler had a crush on her in the early issues, and Doctor Doom flirted with her in her 50th issue of the X‑Men, and I think that was it. Peter Parker got shot down by a girl on the second page of Amazing Fantasy #15 so his bad luck with women was established in his first appearance and has been a major part of the character’s appeal since then.

Most of T'Challa and Ororo's earliest stories wouldn't have been altered by the revelation that they had a spouse their teammates never met. By marrying the two, Marvel also provided a link between the Black Panther (and his comrades in the Fantastic Four and the Avengers) and the X‑Men franchises, permitting new stories for some of their biggest franchises. Joining Peter and Mary Jane provided no such advantage.

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones
Another recent Marvel marriage (this one included a kid) was the one between Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. From my understanding, Luke Cage was married or engaged in his first appearances and/or before he went to prison, so he has always been established as the marrying type. He also hasn’t had a solo series for a while. Meanwhile, Bendis decided that Jessica Jones’s solo adventures were over after writing 28 issues of the character in Alias. The Spider‑Man writers don’t have that luxury.

Bendis was able to have Jessica Jones and Luke Cage become a part of the ensemble in The Pulse and New Avengers which is why he was able to make their private life more stable. Neither has a monthly book (or three) to support for an indefinite period of time, and because of their edgier origins (Jessica Jones was created as the star of a Mature Readers title, and Luke Cage was always meant to have street cred) Bendis and other writers are free to explore complications you just can’t do with Spider‑Man, such as infidelity. If Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were to get a divorce, there’s a very slim chance of it being a major story on CNN. Bendis is also able to play around with the possibility that their marriage will come to an abrupt end, as he did in New Avengers #38. And it's possible that they won't even be on the Avengers after he's off the book.

The Fantastic Four

Many have compared Peter and Mary Jane to the first couple in the Marvel Universe: Reed and Sue Richards. There are several reasons why Mister Fantastic and the Invisible Woman can be married with children, and Peter Parker shouldn't. Reed and Sue have been together since the first issue of The Fantastic Four, and the writer and artist of that issue created the stories in which they got engaged, got married, found out that they were expecting a child and had a son. This all occurred long before Stan Lee realized that the Marvel books would be around for a while, and decided that the illusion of change was more important than actual change.

Franklin Richards hasn't really aged much since the beginning of Byrne's run, and with the exception of the addition of Valeria Richards and the formation of the Future Foundation, the status quo of the series has remained ultimately consistent. Johnny Storm died, but he came back. He married Ben Grimm's ex-girlfriend, but she was really a Skrull in disguise, so he was back to his old self soon enough.

The Fantastic Four has always been about a superhero family, so kids are simply another part of that core premise. Marriage and children also change the storytelling opportunities less for the series, as Reed and Sue are just part of an ensemble. It would be entirely plausible for Johnny Storm or Ben Grimm to get married and have families, but that's not a direction the writers prefer to explore. The other two members simply gain a nephew or niece with each new Richards kid. The writers are thus free to do the “soap opera” elements which require the heroes to be single with the Thing and the Human Torch (or any of the substitute Fantastic Four members.) Plus Reed and Sue aren’t even always part of the Fantastic Four, which allows the writers more flexibility in handling the private lives of the team members.

Other Characters and Kids

Other Marvel heroes have been married and had kids, but this rarely encourages for a similar approach for Spider-Man. Wolverine's much older, so adult children are credible. Scott Lang, the second Antman, was a single father, but that was one of the things that distinguished the B-list character. Matt Murdoch's marriage to Milia Donovan was annulled, and their relationship ended badly. It was fitting for a character with a chaotic back-story, a blind lawyer who no one pretends is representing the everyman.

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Venom # 10 review

Posted by Combustible Pumpkins




Flash fights one of his personal idols to save his family's life.

~The Story~

Jack 'O Lantern arrives at the funeral for Flash's father. Jack taunts Flash subtly in front of Flash's girlfriend, Betty. He introduces himself as Flash's friend without giving away the fact that he knows Flash is Venom. Jack later brings Flash to his boss, The Crime Master, for further taunting and blackmailing. Crime Master tells Flash to head to Las Vegas and that the symbiote suit will know what to do from there.

The next day, Flash is at Project Rebirth to grab the Venom suit, but before too much time passes Captain America arrives. Cap announces the suit is too dangerous and that he's taking it back to The Avengers. Flash slips out wearing the Venom suit before Cap makes it into the secured area, however. Cap gives chase, they eventually fight, Flash hits Cap too hard rendering him unconscious and sending him over a cliff. Flash saves Cap, but leaves Cap unconscious and heads back to Project Rebirth to steal Cap's motorcycle!

~Thoughts~

I very much enjoy Jack 'O Lantern as Venom's enemy. I love how creepy he looks and that he knows Venom's alias. This sort of mirrors the classic dynamic between Spidey and Goblin in a fitting way, since Spidey is Flash's ultimate hero. Flash Thompson is no Peter Parker, however, and writer Rick Remender really does an excellent job portraying this difference.
Reading Rick's work is fun because the dialog beats lay the foundation so well for the story twists. From Jack claiming Flash to be his AA sponsor; to the liberal, Project Rebirth scientist quipping Captain America; this script moves along in a delightful way. Flash fending off the symbiote's corruption, not letting it near his own thoughts, is equally fun to watch because it's not in your face, so to speak.

Remender's gang of decadent villains are very realistic, they party hard to the point of distaste, yet the reader is not burdened with having to watch it, it's subtly there in the dialog. This is to Rick Remender's credit because he shows how "cool" yet uncool the characters really are.

Also it's fun that Project Rebirth is what originally produced Captain America. So it's fitting for Cap to what to shut the program down, or take the symbiote away even though the project just helped Cap (when Cap was a genetically altered spider monster only a few issues ago).

Of equal note: Flash, in desperation, admits to himself that he's nothing without the suit. It's interesting to peer into the heart of a former bully who wants to do the right thing, yet still has this quiet insecurity about himself. It's moments like these that keeps my interest in reading this series. It's hard to suspend disbelief about Flash's leg loss, however, this is a Marvel Universe character, after all. Still, it's interesting to follow him in this phase of his journey.


Remender really sells the idea of Flash being in the symbiote suit in this issue. Not only does the suit grant him similar powers of his main idol, Spider-Man, but it really probes deeper into the type of stuff Flash is made of. Because Jack-O-Lantern and Crime Master know Flash is Venom, Flash has no choice but to go AWOL and not let Cap take the suit. All of this should fit nicely into why Flash eventually ends up in the Secret Avengers which Rick will be writing soon.

All of this is really good. Medinas' pencils are not too flashy, but solid which works with Remender's script perfectly.

However! There's one thing I should point out. Back at Flash's dad's funeral guess who was there too? Peter Parker! Meaning his spider-sense should of went crazy as Jack O' Lantern was stalking. Not cool! That's pretty much a Spidey adventure in the making right there! Oh well, maybe Dan Slott will write the reason for this somewhere in The Amazing Spider-Man.

RATING: 4 OUT OF 5 WEBS! GET THIS BOOK! If Peter Parker didn't show up to the funeral to begin with this would of been a five-starer!


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